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TRINITY
Why address this issue?
First the Bible tells us to seek God and to learn more about him. (Acts 17:27 NKJV) "so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for (draw conclusions about) Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;Second: "The doctrine of the Trinity is crucial for Christianity. It is concerned with who God is, what he is like, how he works, and how He is to be approached." To have a personal relationship one must know and at least partially understand God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. An understanding of the Trinity is a key ingredient of know how to pray and to whom to pray.
Finally the Holy Spirit has driven me to search for an understanding of the Trinity. This is in spite of the fact that almost all theologians that hold the view that I am questioning would agree with Louis Berkhof who stated: The Church confesses the Trinity to be a mystery beyond the comprehension of man. The Trinity is a mystery, not merely in the Biblical sense that it is a truth, which was formerly hidden but is now revealed; but in the sense that man cannot comprehend it and make it intelligible.
What is the issue
For me the issue has boiled down to what is the correct view of the Trinity.- Is it the "Economic" view of the Trinity held prior to the council of Nicea (325 A.D.) That held the Son and the Holy Spirit were separate individuals subordinate to God?
- Is it the "Modalism", Where there is one Godhead which may be variously designated as Father, Son, or Spirit. The terms do not stand for real distinctions, but are merely names which are appropriate and Applicable at different times. They are not three persons, but one person with three different names, roles, or activities.
- Or is it the "Trinitarian" view of the doctrine of the Trinity that has
evolved today:.
- There is in the Divine Being but one indivisible essence. God is one in His essential being or constitutional nature.
- In this one Divine Being there are three Persons or individual subsistence, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. But in God there are no three individuals alongside of and separate from, on another, but only personal self-distinctions within the Divine essence, which is not only generically, but also numerically, one.
- The whole undivided essence of God belongs equally to each of the three persons.
- The subsistence and operation of the three persons in the divine Being is marked by a certain definite order. In personal subsistence the Father is first, the Son second, and the Holy Spirit third.
The apparent problems with today's "Trinitarian" doctrine of the Trinity
The first problem is the stated fact by it's proponents that: "The Bible does not explicitly teach the Trinitarian view of God, but the teaching that God is one and that the three persons are God clearly imply this view."
The second problem is that this doctrine appears to be in conflict with many of the statements in the bible. And the proponents make no attempt to explain these conflicts. As an example (Mark 16:19 NKJV) So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God. How can he sit at His own right hand/ In Stevens vision just before he was stoned he saw two separate persons. But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, (Acts 7:55 NKJV) If God and Jesus are one (the same) person how did he see two? Is it a false vision that is recorded? I think not! Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 8:6 "yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist." Clearly Paul is identifing two seperate persons. The first is God and the second is Christ. In John 14:28 Christ Himself says: "... I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I."
The third problem that stimulated me to search the Bible and what it said about the Trinity is: all of the Preachers that I have heard teach the Trinitarian doctrine went on to treat the trinity as three separate persons in the rest of their sermons. Because it would have been aquward and confusing to do otherwise. This dichotomy made me question the doctrin.
The most frequent argument I hear is found in John 10:30 "I and My Father are one" But the greek word en from the root word eiuv is translated agreement or alike not the same. It is unfortunate but I believe Christins have miss translated the term "one" and have gone through all sorts of distortions to justify both Christ and "one God".
In a teaching by David Regan he taught (Paraphrased) "If the plain truth makes sense, it makes the most sense" I ask the question why not go by what the Bible says first and not what it implies "The plain sense makes the most sense"
A view of the Trinity to be considered
If you disagree with the postulated view of the Trinity presented below I would challenge you to point out where it is in disagreement with the Bible. The view of the Trinity that most closly fits the Bible is the one used by Dr. Henry Cloud in his book "Changes that Heal" (pg94) "God is a bonded person. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are always connected; they have an eternal 'oneness.' However, just as unity is the most basic quality God possesses, he has diversity within this unity. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct, separate persons. They are not 'fused' in a way that they lose their individual identity. They have boundaries between them. They each have their own talent, responsibilities, wills, and personalities. They can be in different places at the same time, and they can be dong different things without losing relationship."He says it so much more elegantly that I. I would say that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are three individual and seperate beings. They are in such accord that they think, feel and act the same. God the Father is supreme and through out the Bible Jesus and the Holy Spirit submit themselves to God. "I speak only what I hear from the father" "I do only what He telles me".
How the Bible supports this view of the Trinity.
[In the following the term translated is in 'bold' and the original Greek is in italics. The number is "Strongs Reference"- "I and My Father are one." . . pater:G3962(John 10:30 NKJV) . heis:G1520 Father one (Mat 19:5 NKJV) "
- 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'? mia:G3391 The femine tense of 1520. heis (Mark 12:29 NKJV) Mark 12:29 uses the same word for one between God the Father and a man and his wife. There is oneness in their accord but they still are two sperate individuals. The first two translation of One from the original Greek word en which is derived from eiuv are: agreement and alike,
- Jesus answered him, "The first of all the commandments is: 'Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one. Kurios G2962 The Greek does not say that the Trinity are one as some say but that God is the prime/only supreme in authority.
- "This is My Son.."(Matthew 3:17) God recognized Jesus as His Son, a seperate individual. Son from the Greek word uisho G5207 with the meaning of kinship.
There are many passages where Jesus said "The Father sent me". If they were one and the same the father could not have sent him. He says He (Jesus) will set at the right hand of the Father. One can not set at their own right hand. Jesus said He was from the Father. You can not be from your self.
- (Mark 12:35 NKJV) Then Jesus answered and said, while He taught in the temple, "How is it that the scribes say that the Christ is the Son of David?
- (Mark 12:36 NKJV) "For David himself said by the Holy Spirit: 'The LORD said to my Lord, "Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool."'
- (John 7:28 NKJV) Then Jesus cried out, as He taught in the temple, saying, "You both know Me, and you know where I am from; and I have not come of Myself, but He who sent Me is true, whom you do not know.
- (John 7:29 NKJV) "But I know Him, for I am from Him, and He sent Me." Here Jesus makes a difference between himself and the Father.
- (John 12:44 NIV) Then Jesus cried out, "When a man believes (pisteuo) in me, he does not believe (pisteuo) in me only, but in the one who sent me. Two distinct personalities.
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